We continue looking at some admissions data for some Ontario engineering programs, based on the CUDO public database. As a bit of background, applicants to Ontario universities all apply through a central system (OUAC) shared by the universities (which is where this data comes from, I assume). In this system, an applicant can rank their preferred choice of program and university. Presumably, applicants rank as first choice the university they most desire to attend. Let’s see from the data where people tend to want to go, and how many end up there after the admissions process is all done.
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Entrance Average Breakdowns
In a recent couple of posts we’ve looked at the overall entrance averages for some Ontario engineering programs, and the specific proportion of admitted students that had a 95%+ average. Let’s look at the full breakdown of the proportions of admitted students with averages of 75-79, 80-84, etc. This data gets a bit too messy to plot across several years, so I’ll just look at 2021, the most recent year available on the CUDO data website.
Continue readingAdmitted With a 95%+ Average
The previous post showed the overall averages of students admitted to engineering programs (based on CUDO and Ontario school data). Since CUDO provides the data broken down into grade range bins, let’s look at one in particular. This is the bin for admitted students with an admission average of 95% or higher. The graph below shows the proportion (%) of admitted engineering students that had a final admission average greater than or equal to 95%, from 2017 to 2021 (the last available year)
Continue readingEntrance Average Trends
Everyone is always excited, concerned, interested and/or complaining about entrance averages, whether your a potential applicant, parent, faculty member, secondary school teacher, accreditation board, etc. So let’s have a look at how Ontario engineering school entrance averages have faired over the past few years. As usual, the data is from CUDO and in this case it is only available up to the 2021 entrance.
Continue readingSelecting Your Offer
Offers to Ontario engineering programs will probably be wrapping up over the next two to three weeks (mid-May?). Then people have until some date in early June to pick the one they want (see your offer or OUAC for specific deadlines) and put down some sort of deposit. It seems like most people apply to multiple universities and programs these days. In the “old days” you could only apply to 3 in total, but I think the average now is around 5 or 6. I’ve seen some applications in the high 20’s!
So assuming you have 2 or more offers to choose from, how do you decide? Ultimately it’s going to be a very personal decision, but here are a few common factors to consider:
- Program: do you really know what it’s about, and how well it fits your interests, skills and temperament? Ignore your family and friends ideas about the “best” program for the future and jobs. It’s your future.
- Location: is quick and easy travel back home on weekends important to you or necessary for some reasons? Or, are you fine with staying away for weeks and months and connecting by Skype or whatever?
- Costs: some programs are expensive. Some cities are expensive to live in. How do the total costs add up for your budget? Is there an internship or co-op program to help with the costs, and how much does it help?
- Facilities and Extracurriculars: is there something that you really want or need to do, apart from the academic program? Does the university have that opportunity available? Are there clubs or sports opportunities that you are particularly interested in?
- Scholarships: are these important for your budget and affordability? Did you get a really big scholarship spread over 4 years? If so, are there performance conditions, such as maintaining an 80% average? Note that many students have difficulties maintaining these averages, so the scholarship may not really be that reliable for future budgeting purposes.
- Prestige: studies from the US generally show that going to a “prestigious” school has no particular influence on career (with the possible exception of politics). Ignore “prestige” or rankings and go for the place and program that is the best fit for you and your interests. An engaged and interested student will always do well wherever they are, versus a miserable student at a “prestigious” university or program.
- Other? Possibly there are some other factors that are more individual? I can’t think of any more general ones at the moment, but suggestions in the comments are welcomed.
11 Surprising Things to Keep On Your Resume – Glassdoor Blog
Some interesting ideas in this article. Although written for permanent job seekers, it could also be very applicable to co-op students and high school students applying for university programs. Some of those things are what can make you stand out from the crowd, in my experience on the hiring and admissions side.
Stand up comedian? Competitive athlete? Find out what surprising skills should stay on your resume.
Source: 11 Surprising Things to Keep On Your Resume – Glassdoor Blog
Chances for 2019
Since I’ve left the Admissions role I’m not going to post my traditional graphic of chances for the upcoming cycle, BUT let me introduce you to a new Waterloo engineering admissions-focused blog where you can find it: The Road to Engineering
Follow that blog for updates on current Waterloo Engineering admissions news, suggestions and updates, including some information about the upcoming Ontario Universities Fair.
Applying to University Should be Like Applying for Jobs
As high school students return to class, here is some key advice for those planning to apply to university or college. I strongly suggest that when applying to a post-secondary program, it should be treated like applying for a job or career. There should be some significant self-reflection and “selling yourself” to the university. The self-reflection part is derived from Prof. Larry Smith’s book, which I have briefly reviewed before. It’s very important to know why you’re doing something before doing it. The “selling yourself” part builds on this, and can be illustrated with an example that is a composite of stuff we see for Engineering applications. For this example, let’s consider two hypothetical applicants to Mechanical Engineering, both with similar grades (say low 90’s) and similar other activities. Each applicant writes something in their Admission Information Form, along the lines of the following… Continue reading
Admissions Decisions Finished
All offers and rejections for our Engineering programs have now been posted on our Quest system and the offers eventually show up on the OUAC system too. Every year’s admissions seems to get a little more challenging and complicated and this year was no different with about 13,000 applications and the launch of our new Architectural Engineering program. As usual, there are a few happy people and a lot that are not so happy. For perspective, a few statistics might be helpful:
- Applications overall were up between 5 and 10%, but a few programs stood out. Namely, Computer and Systems Design Engineering applications were up about 30% each, and Biomedical up about 15%. Increased applications means higher competition and more rejections since the available spaces didn’t change.
- Overall, about 75% of our applicants did not receive an offer. For some programs like Software and Biomedical Engineering, closer to 90% of applicants didn’t receive offers since there were so many applicants and a very limited number of spaces.
- As usual, we gave out some alternate choice offers in a number of programs, although there are limits to how many we will offer in any one program. This year, a lot of Software applicants put Computer Engineering as an alternate, which makes some sense. But with the 30% increase in Computer applications, there was quite a bottleneck and many were no doubt surprised to get no offer.
At this stage, all of our spaces are now allocated and we wait until the summer to see if the predicted number of people accept the offers. We don’t have an appeal or reconsideration process, because the spaces are filled to the limits (and beyond). We make more offers than there are spaces, with the assumption that a certain fraction will choose to go somewhere else. Generally our predictions are accurate within 1 or 2%, and there are usually no spaces opening up during the summer.
For those with offers to engineering and are thinking about wanting to change programs, our suggestion is to forget about it. Recent experience suggests that it is not likely to happen because of space limitations in most programs, even after first year. The engineering programs have no obligation to take transfers, and lately many have refused to do so. Therefore, if you’re not reasonably sure that you will be satisfied with the offer you have, you should seriously consider another offer. Our open house event for admitted applicants on Saturday May 26 is a good last chance to visit and discuss your potential future program with faculty and students.
A Few Offers So Far
As usual around this time of year, we have processed a few offers for applicants who are currently in an Ontario high school. Generally this will fill less than 25% of the available spaces in each program, leaving the large majority of spaces for our final round of decisions in May when we have more complete data for a fair comparison. People who don’t get an offer at this stage are automatically carried forward for consideration then.
The selection process is a bit random at this stage, which is why I don’t like to commit very many spaces. Typically, people with offers at this point have consistently high grade 11 and 12 math, English & science marks, and at least 3 Grade 12 required courses completed. Also they probably ranked in the top end of all the program applicants, taking into account an AIF score (and optional interview score, if one was submitted). It takes us until mid-April to complete all the AIF and interview scoring, so at this stage it’s somewhat random whether those play a significant role or not for any one individual.
Eventually (by the end of April), we get all the Grade 12 marks and other scores, and then it’s much fairer to compare everyone on the same basis. Any high scoring applicants who missed out on the early round will get selected at that point.
For out-of-province applicants (OUAC Form 105), we’ll do a bit of a preliminary offer round in a few weeks when we have more data compiled from transcripts. It’s difficult to say exactly when (it depends on many things), but hopefully by early April to help out those with May 1 offer acceptance deadlines at U.S. universities.
A Professor in Waterloo Engineering 