# Chances for 2014

The 2014 Admissions brochures for Engineering and other programs have recently been uploaded.  Last year, for the first time, we included a table showing admission probabilities (“chances”) for different programs and grade ranges.  It seemed to be well-received and many people found it to be useful, so we revised and updated a new one for 2014.  Below is a copy of it (sorry about the image quality).  This is based on the 2013 results and as usual we caution that 2014 may be different, since it all depends on the competition level (which is unknown in advance).

Some people find the big jumps in probability between the different grade ranges to be troubling, so last year I made a graph that interpolates between the various grades in finer detail.

Continuing that tradition, I took this more recent data and did some new interpolations.  Last year I used a piecewise continuous linear interpolation method.  For variety, this year I used a cubic spline interpolation technique (with linear endpoints), which is another popular method for finding values between sparse data points.  As before, I assumed that the probability in the table above corresponds to the mid-point of the grade range, and that there is zero probability below 80%, and 100% with an average grade of 100%.  It’s a little more complicated to implement in Excel, so I used MathCAD for the actual number crunching (here is a nice description, for those that might be interested).  And here is the result:

One of the graphs is a little “wonky” at the upper end, showing a greater than 100% probability (which of course is not physically possible).  Fixing that would probably require a different interpolation method, but it’s not worth the effort since it’s just an approximation anyways.  (Part of an engineer’s job is figuring out where to best use your limited time and resources.)  Otherwise, it looks pretty good.

As usual, these are rough estimates and not guarantees of any sort.  It’s possible to have a 99% average and not get admitted if, for example, you don’t submit a required document.  It’s also possible that changes in competition levels will move a program from one line to another (either left or right) in the upcoming cycle.  But it gives some guidance about what the expectations might be for various programs, and something to work towards.

## 170 thoughts on “Chances for 2014”

1. Thomas

Can you tell us the admission averages for 2013? Thanks a lot.

• We haven’t really calculated them. But roughly it looks like they range from about 88% for the lesser competitive programs to about 94% for the most competitive. Frankly, program admission averages are relatively useless pieces of information for applicants. They don’t tell you anything about the average required to have some chance, so that’s why we have produced this data.

(In statistics, it’s like trying to describe your data distribution with just the mean. It can’t be done. You also need to know the standard deviation or variance.)

2. Frank

Would you explain why the blue line approaches 100% probability slower than the other two? Thanks

• I updated the post with a slightly different cubic spline that uses linear endpoint fits (lspline function in MathCAD). It looks a little better, but the upper end is still a bit odd. That’s just what happens sometimes, when you try to fit a cubic function to data that really is not cubic. The blue line has a nice smooth shape, but the data underlying the red line is steeper and somewhat discontinuous, so the spline overshoots then comes back down to 100% at the end.

Since these are approximations, we shouldn’t pay much attention to any apparent small differences in the upper range of the admission average.

3. Has there been a long-term upward trend in admission averages? If so, do you think mark inflation is a problem?

• Yes, we have seen a long term rise in admission averages. I’m not sure that it is mark inflation however. Our programs have seen increasing numbers of applications for the limited number of spaces, so I think competition for spots is the main factor.

4. brian

Wow, admission averages have increased significantly. So, a 92.5 would mean a 75% chance of getting accepted into Mechatronics Engineering. Also, does this include the extra percent from AIF form. Also how much can you gain from AIF form to your average. Also, what is the 75% chance based on; 75% of last years students with 92.5% average got into the program. If so, why didn’t the other 25% get in. Is there any benefit in studying in the IB program even though calculated averages are based on the converted Ontario marks?

• Yes, competition has increased a bit. The grades in the charts do not include the AIF score, which can add up to 5 points.
Strictly, 75% of people with an average in the 90 to 95 range received offers. There are a variety of reasons why the 25% didn’t get offers: some didn’t submit an AIF, some might have had a required course grade below the minimum, some might not have passed the English Language requirement, and some were simply not competitive when the AIF score was factored in.

IB is recognized as an enrichment type of program and good preparation for university, so given a choice between several applicants with similar scores we will tend to pick an IB student.

5. Brian

Ok, so basically when you said it doesn’t include AIF form for the averages, how does one benefit from the AIF form adding to a maximum 5 points to their average. Scholarships? Acceptances? Also generally speaking, how competitive would a student studying in the IB program with converted marks averaging to about 91% be for the Mechatronics program at Waterloo. Also, does engineering at Waterloo recognize achievements on Waterloo Math Contests?

• An earlier post described the AIF content. There is no specific formula for achieving a score of 5. It just has to stand out significantly from the average applicant, and will often involve national or international level awards or achievements.

As indicated in the graph, a 91% average is probably reasonably competitive, but things change from year to year so it is impossible to know for sure. Scores on math contests can be described in the AIF, and would be considered as part of the AIF scoring.

6. brian

Thanks so much for the immediate responses. This is really wonderful what you are doing. Thank you so much. Would there be any difference in getting 91% in IB vs 91% in Academic. For example, a student who took Academic courses gets 93% top 6 average, and an IB student gets a 91% average for top 6. Assuming their AIF scored the same, who would be first in line for acceptance?

• All else being equal, we tend to first pick applicants with enriched programs, like IB.

• All else being equal, we tend to first pick applicants who have been in an enriched type of program, like IB.

7. dom

hey, i have a similar question to the above guest. who would u prefer all else being equal other than one person getting 95% in Academic and the other getting a 92% in IB. does waterloo realize the difficulty within different enriched programs. in my school students who were not doing well in ib dropped out and ended up getting averages 5-7% higher than they would’ve achieved in ib. does waterloo admissions see this somehow?

• Yes, we are quite familiar with many different programs, having dealt with 10’s of thousands of applications from around the world. There really isn’t a definitive answer to your scenario. It’s getting into a grey area, sort of like the examples in a post from last year’s cycle.

8. haizen

in accordance to acceptances from previous years, what would you say when you looked at these credentials of an applicant for mechatronics engineering:

Calculus 92
Economics 90
English: 85
Physics: 95
Chemistry 89

Extra Curricular Activities: Meh, joined some clubs, typical volunteering

Math contest top 1% one year, constantly distinction, writes a lot of contests and generally places in distinction for contests organized by waterloo and outside of waterloo

• Can’t really comment on individual cases. There are literally thousands of applicants with averages in the high 80’s to low 90’s, so there is no useful answer until we actually make the final decisions in May.

9. Bill

Really appreciate what you are doing here, a great source of information for students applying in the new year. Anyways, does the Engineering faculty adjust marks if they were taken online? Thanks in advance!

• No, there is no adjustment for online courses unless they are a repeated required course.

10. monica

I know that if two students are getting equal grades and the same AIF score , but one have done the IB program , waterloo would probably prefer the IB student .So , is that the same thing applies for AP courses ?? I took all AP sciences in grade 11 , but my school stopped offering AP chemistry in grade 12 , so now I am just doing AP for physics and bio .( I might not submit my bio mark ) .
So the question is ,Would my AP physics course give me any advantage !!! Also , do u consider the results of the AP exam ? Does it make a difference if I write it ? One more thing , if you have two students having the same AIP score , one got 94 in AP courses while the other got 97 in academic , who would you accept ?? Same for nigh school and summer school ?? A student with a 95 English mark in night school , or a student with an 85 English mark from day school ! Late thing , if i take night school , and my mark goes from 87 (english 11 ) done in summer school to like 95 (english 12 )in night school ! Will that be in my advantage or disadvantage ???
Thank you so much for your help .

• Yes, same idea for any enhanced program, including AP courses. We encourage people to write the AP exam, even if it won’t be used for admission, because it’s good practice and experience. I can’t really answer your scenario; applicants with 94 and 97 are probably both going to get offers anyways. Summer and night school are considered the same as regular day school, so there is no particular difference.

11. kevin

i am an applicant with a probably 95 in advanced func and 95 calculus, 93 in econ, 92 physics, 85 chemistry, and an 80 in english. this gives an average exactly of 90%. i have decent extra curriculars and have done well on waterloo math contests and other competitions in math and physics. im interested in mechatronics, but am worried that i wont get in. tbh, english is really pulling my mark down and i am confident that i am a great communicator and would be great in the field, but how will waterloo know that? what can they conclude of a student that gets 80% in IB english. english in IB is at a totally different level than academic. the grading style is brutal and what we are actually marked on probably has very little do present one’s communication skill.

• You’re in a pretty good position. All you can do is apply and hope for the best. We are very aware of IB and take it into account.

12. John

for mechatronics engineering, there is only one chemistry course that is taken throughout the 5 years and that is a first year sort of introductory chemistry course. I heard that the chemistry involved in that course is not nearly as complex as you would find in chemical engineering, where chemistry is vital and significantly important and complex. In that first year course, I heard from people studying in mechatronics that the chemistry course is one of the easiest courses they would do in mechatronics. so if chemistry is the course which is bringing down by average –> let’s say i get 78% in chemistry and all my other courses add up to give an 89% average, would waterloo know that a 78% in chemistry can be enough to be succesful in the chem course in mechatronics or would they probably not be interested in the applicant. Like a 78% for a student going into chemical engineering is not good, but what about if they go into mechatronics or computer engineering? i know in other engineering programs at waterloo, chemistry is always involved as a course.

• Actually, that first year chemistry course (CHE 102) is exactly the same course as taken by Chemical Engineering students (same material, same exam). (of course, Chem Eng students take several other chemistry-related courses afterwards)

We usually just consider the average, and don’t worry much about individual course grades (as long as they are above the required minimum).

• David

What about a low mark in Chemistry for something like Software Engineering, where there is no CHE 102?

Also, what about a low mark in English? Taking it next, and worried about what I might get.

(So basically would Chemistry or English be “unusual” cases when considering the average?)

• Software Engineering students do take Chemistry (CHE 102). The average of the required courses determines your ranking in the selection pool, so there is no particular consideration for specific courses like Chemistry and English.

13. lee

I’m going to apply for electrical engineering this year and as far as grades go i have around a 92-93 average. As my english mark is bring my average down quite a bit. Unfortunately in grade 11 my pre-calculus 12 mark was in the 72 mainly because of the transition of environment (I was not in my normal state). I repeated this course during the summer and got a 97 average. I am aware of the 5 percent cut from the overall average. However, in calculus 12 I’m getting a 99 percent and confident enough to achieve a 98ish average on calculus would this lower my chance of getting cut by 5 percent? Thank you

• Just explain about the repeat on your AIF, and we will decide whether a 5% penalty should apply or not when we see the complete picture next March or May.

14. Hi, Professor Bill, first off, I think you are doing a great job and your blogs have really helped me in my college application.
Professor I am currently in the Cambridge International examination system ( which is the English, A-level system), and I will be giving my exams in the months of May and June, the issue is that the results will be made available on 14th of August 2014. I have heard (from an unofficial source) that the admission decisions will be made before this date, can you please confirm this, because if this is true than that means the final, and most important year of A-level will be useless and also, does The University of Waterloo make any conditional offers (specifically asking for A-level students)?

• Yes, admission decisions are made by early May. For students in A level, we make our decisions based on “O level”, AS level, and predicted A level results. All offers will then be conditional on achieving certain grades in the A level exam results that we receive in August. So no, the A levels are quite important for keeping the offer.

15. ryan

hi sir, do these averages include the 5% addition to our average. https://profbillanderson.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/chances2014-rev.png im
very confused about this so called 5% average boost for engineering applicants. what is the point of having a 5% boost average if the data shown is only for the top 6 average. Like if i have 87% average and I get 3% boost from AIF, would the calculated average be 90% and that means my chance of getting accepted is equivalent to 90% on the graph? If not, what is the point of the 5% boost if we can’t see relative to the chance of getting accepted?

• No, those averages don’t include the AIF score (up to 5% bonus), it is simply the admission average based on the required courses. We show that data because you will know approximately what your average is from school, but the AIF score is unknown and so you wouldn’t know what to assume for the total. The chance of getting accepted includes the effect of the unknown AIF score.

• roxy

wow that’s a bit of a relief knowing that the chance of getting accepted graph includes the effect of the unknown AIF score. the confusion arose from this –> https://uwaterloo.ca/find-out-more/programs/mechatronics-engineering

Quote “Admission average: Individual selection from the low 90s”. I guess there was little confusion over what individual selection meant but your article cleared that up. thanks sir.

• “Individual selection” has always been a bit confusing to applicants, which is why we’ve tended to post this “Chance” information in recent years.

16. J

If we were to put a more difficult to get into engineering (such as mechatronics) on the AIF as our first choice, but something like management as our second choice, will we still be considered for the early round on the second choice? Thanks

• No, for the early round we only consider the first choices. We don’t have enough data to work on making 2nd and 3rd choice offers until late April.

17. Joe

Hi Professor Anderson.
I would like to know if there is a similar blog or website that offers similar and very helpful information as in your blog for the faculty of Math. I will apply for Math/FARM and Math/Finance programs. Thank you for all the time and input put on your blog.

18. David

Hi Professor Anderson,
Thanks for all the help, this blog has been a great resource. I was curious about the individuals who applied to Mechatronics/Chemical etc with a 90-95% average. What are the reasons for the 25% of not being accepted. Are these factors acedemic? Or possibly these applicants did not have the required extracurriculars?

Thanks!

• There are a bunch of reasons. Some didn’t submit an AIF, or it was very poorly attempted (we don’t have “required extracurriculars”, but if someone doesn’t write much at all the AIF score will be very low). Some didn’t meet the English language proficiency requirements (e.g. TOEFL or IELTS). Some had repeated courses (so their course average may be 90 to 95%, but in the admission ranking it drops by up to 5%). For Software, some didn’t have adequate programming experience.

• bonus

So really, once that 90% average was hit, usually the differences made were in these tiny miniscule differences amongst extra curriculars and requirements? I was always wondering whether after the 90% average is hit, the differences were made mostly by grades, but I talked to some students in mechanical and chemical engineering and they said that usually, once a 90% average was hit, the differences which got someone rejected had to do with their AIF or their language proficiency requirements.

• There is no specific 90% borderline, it’s all just based on relative ranking. But yes, sometimes it just comes down to very small differences.

19. cranium

my raw unconverted top 6 marks are as follows
93% economics
82% english
74% physics
and 😦 60% chemistry.

Now the thing is I am in the IB program and my teacher said that none of my marks have been converted. My guidance counsellor said my marks will get converted for the report card at beginning of February. Basically my 74% in physics translates to a 6, which is equivalent to 93%. Also my chemistry mark which is 60% will convert to 75%. The thing is, my chemistry teacher said that the thing which is killing my mark now are my quizzes. He said that in January we write a mock IB chemistry HL exam and he will base a prediction on that exam mark and not our test and quizzes. That means, a 96% after conversion is still possible for me after January. The thing is, if I apply now, will I get rejected immediately? I am really scared to apply cause i am afraid i might get tossed aside and immediately rejected because it may seem that I am out of reach for the 90% average required for nanoengineering. But really, I am on my way for a 90+ average. I need advice on whether I can apply now. I got my OUAC number and if I apply now, would you just wait for my grades in February, or would you reject me? At the beginning of February, my marks would look like 92 in advanced func, 92 calculus, 85 english, 95 physics, and 80 chemistry and 93 economics. so what would you tell me to do. guidance does not know what waterloo would do though if i applied now. i would like to apply now because i will be busy in january and want to finish my application by end of december.

sorry, im just so confused.

• Yes, apply now. We don’t even start looking at Ontario school grades until mid-February, when all the first semester grades are submitted.

• cranium

Wait so by mid-February, it is possible for me to get accepted? all I know is that the next report card after january exams will have converted grades, but do you know when those updated marks come in? I was just wondering if I had a chance of getting accepted in February? By the time you start looking, would you get the updated marks to OUAC? Also, I got my pin, so can I theoretically apply today? Are we accessible to the AIF form today? Or is there a date when it gets released? I haven’t logged into my account yet and will try around next week when I’m a bit less busy.

• We don’t start any decisions until the first semester grades are uploaded through OUAC (for Ontario students), so yes it’s theoretically possible for you to be accepted in the early round. I think the AIF is available now, so people can start working on it whenever they want, after applying.

20. Dev

Hi,
I am currently in Grade 12 and am planning to apply this week. However, I don’t have the ENG4U9 credit until next semester. This semester, I am taking ETS4U, which is “studies in literature”. I was curious as to whether my Grade 11, ENG3U9, mark will be used when I apply. If so, when will universities receive my ENG4U9 grade from next semester?
Thanks!

• In February, we’ll use your ENG3U grade. If we don’t make an offer at that time, we’ll use your ENG4U grade in late April (which is when the midterm grade is available to us).

• Dev

Thanks for the reponse! I was also wondering whether for Early Acceptance you consider the Top 5 or 6 grade? Thank you for providing these resources

• For the early round, it’s usually just the 5 required courses that are considered. For technical reasons, it’s difficult to access the 6th course grade at that point in time.

• Dev

Thanks! Sorry for the multiple questions, but I forgot to ask what type of grades we must maintain if we are accepted early for a program such as Mechatronics?

• The offer conditions are the same for all programs; maintain the admission average of at least 80%, with no required course grades below 70% (for Ontario courses). It should be easy to achieve those conditions, but the harder part is keeping your average as high as possible to get the best scholarship in May.

21. Dev

Hi Professor Anderson, everyone at my Highschool is really grateful that you have supplied these resources! After telling the information you said about early acceptances, one of my friends is wondering if he is able to apply for engineering with a grade 11 summer school physics credit. He does not have a grade 12 physics credit yet as he is planning to take the course in the summer of 2014. Will he be able to apply for early acceptances?

• We generally only make offers to people who have all the required courses finished, or in progress to finish in June. He can apply and explain the situation, but missing the required course will often be a problem. (we have lots of other applicants to pick from who are finishing all the courses)

22. Hello professor. Thanks for the post!

I have applied to Waterloo for electrical engineering and math coop. Today i received my acknowledgment email and when i logged into quest, the AIF had questions only specifically related to engineering. Do i have to submit an AIF for both applications? Any information on this would be appreciated since i am very confused.
Thanks again!

• I think there should only be one AIF that covers all the programs you apply to. But I can’t troubleshoot individual problems, so you can contact myapplication@uwaterloo.ca (with your name and Waterloo student ID#) and they will be able to look at your situation.

Hey Prof, Thanks for writing this blog I am extrememly grateful
I am considering going to waterloo for mechanical engineering. I have a few questions;
1) I took Gr. 12 in summer school because i wanted to have a study hall during my grade 12 year;l I got an 86%. How will that affect my application? To be honest, it was probably the hardest English I have ever taken.
2) I am bilingual, speaking both English and French. English is my first language, but I am enrolled in French Immersion. My chemistry class was taught in French. Will this affect my my aplication or AIF?
3) I am going through many personal issues and I have documents from counselling to prove it. Can I put that on my AIF?
4) Does UofWaterloo consider where you are from when going over your application? Would somebody from Northern Ontario have a tougher time getting in than somebody from Toronto.

thanks again

• 1) summer school courses are treated like any other course (in engineering).
2) French immersion in a Canadian school is not an issue. No effect one way or the other.
3) Certainly briefly discuss any issues that may affect your current or previous academic performance.
4) No, Northern Ontario is treated the same as any other place in Ontario.

Are you saying being bilingual isn’t something I should mention on the AIF

• Doesn’t hurt to mention it, especially if you plan to use it for your career.

24. monica

Hi Prof ,
Thanks a lot for all these helpful tips .
I am currently doing my AIF and I am struggling to remember the exact date I started every volunteer work /activity or club . I can remember the month but the day … not really !! Is it okay if I just write an estimate or does it have to be exact ???
Also , many of the volunteer work , I am doing right now , I plan to continue on doing – I hope forever , so what I am suppose to write when they ask for the end date ??
Thanks

• Estimated dates are fine. If you plan to continue activities, you can either leave the end date blank or maybe use the end of summer as a date to summarize things so far.

25. Luna

Thank you very much for this incredibly informative post.
My question to you is, does Waterloo take in consideration of other specialized programs such as the Gifted program? Or does it only recognize IB?

• It is something that is good to mention on your AIF so that we can understand and consider it.

26. Hassan

I’m wondering if I would have lower a chance getting accepted into Management Engineering if I picked mechatronics on OUAC; since management would be my second or third with my other pick being chemical engineering. [Assuming that I don’t get an offer for Mechatronics or Chemical]

Personally, I’m concerned about getting accepted into management engineering since it is not my first choice. My average will be 89-90% and I think I will get 2/5 on the AIF forum.

On a side note, I choose Mechatronics on OUAC is there ANY way I can change it to mechanical or chemical engineering [what I believe I am most passionate about; after reading this blog and other pieces of information]?

• You should be able to change your OUAC selection anytime, although I’m not sure about the details of how. If you’re being considered for a second or third choice program (because you didn’t get your first choice), then you are considered equally with everyone else.

27. KD

what is the probability of a student getting accepted into any engineering stream (whether it be their 1st or last choice)

And thank you so much for making this blog!

• Overall probability of getting an offer (also known as “selectivity”) is less than 40%, in recent years.

28. cann

are the chances for mechatronics going to slightly increase because of the new stream addition. 45 spots is relatively a large number of spots. From last year, what were the lowest averages you were debating to enter for mechatronics engineering. What I mean is, the last 5 spots let’s say were people with what averages? how did one come up over the other?

• Chances for mechatronics might be easier this year, with the extra spaces, but we don’t know for sure. If there are more applicants, then it may not change much. We will know in May, once it’s all over. For averages last year, generally the last ones picked were in the high 80s but there is no specific number I can quote.

• Hassan

1)
I will probably finish with an 89% average, so if I were to be given an offer for mechatronics [my first choice] it will be very late. As a result would my application for mechanical [second choice] will be reviewed, late, when most offers for mechanical engineering have been handed out; lowering my chances? If so, my chances for getting an offer for geological [third choose], the one I’m most competitive for, will be less since it would be reviewed much much later and as a result many offers for the program have already been handed out.

2)
I really want to do engineering at Waterloo because of the co-op; I believe co-op is critical to any good education. I am a bit indifferent to my 5 top programs choices and was wondering if it is possible to choose more than 3 programs. I know I’m not that competitive with an 89 average for mehatronics, mechanical, and chemical [3 of my more prefered top 5] and so want to also apply to management and geological [my other two preferences]. Is it possible to apply to 5 programs? Can I have two or more applications sent from OUAC?

Thanks you,
~Hassan

• 1. We consider the 2nd & 3rd choices in the last round of offers, when about 50% of the spaces are still open. So no, your chances are not lowered due to space limits.

2. No, only 1 OUAC application is possible with 2 alternate choices on the AIF. I would pick your most preferred choice on OUAC, then for your alternates one competitive and one less competitive program. That should cover all the options.

29. naccit's brother

From last year, what were the lowest averages you were debating to enter for mechatronics engineering. What I mean is, the last 5 spots let’s say were people with what averages? how did one come up over the other?

• From the graph, the lowest averages considered were in the mid to high 80s. Because the decisions for the last spots are not based on average alone, it’s impossible to give a precise number.

30. Nancy

I am so glad to have found this blog recently, thank you so much for your efforts!
I am considering business administration in Waterloo at the moment. Although I know your blog is purely based on engineering, I was wondering if you have statistics from the math department for their different programs offered?

• No, sorry I don’t have any information about math.

31. TY

Hi Professor,

I’m applying to life sciences with a 94 average, do you have any statistics about my chances of getting in?

32. Is it my imagination, or are the labels swapped for the green and red curves?

• No, those are correct. Our electrical and computer engineering programs are not as hyper-competitive as they once were. Mainly because the capacity has increased over the years, so supply (spaces) versus demand (# of applicants) is not too bad.

33. Philip Varghese

Professor Anderson,

How do you convert results in the russian atestat to % for someone who has mostly 4s and 5s (out of 5)?

• The 5 point scales are always a bit tricky to handle, but generally a mix of 4s and 5s will be in the high 80s to low 90s region.

34. Kevin

Hello Professor,
Let’s say that I have a 94% average applying to nanotechnology engineering. If I get a score of 2-3 on my AIF, does that mean that I will be considered a 96/97% average student on the chart above and thus my chance of acceptance will be higher? Also, what would an AIF scoring 2-3 look like?

• The chart is only showing raw averages, without any AIF or other adjustments. For scoring, see this.

35. Rahul Saha

Hi Professor, I am a student from Bangladesh.Recently I applied through OUAC to U of Waterloo to Electrical Engineering Program.I want to know my chances of getting into u of waterloo.I achieved 6A* 1A 2B in Eng and Economics in my IGCSE.IN A levels I got 4A in my AS(Physics,Chemistry,Math,Biology) and prdicted grades will be 4A*.I completed my AS in Jan 2013.But I will finish my final A levels in June 2014 taking more than two years.Do you think this may affect my chances.Please Help me.

• How long it takes to finish is not a criteria we worry about. Most applicants don’t finish A levels until June, so that’s normal.

• Rahul Saha

• An A* is something like a mid to high 90s, and an A would be high 80s to low 90s. To be competitive, most grades should be at least A.

36. goku

would someone who got 86% average after conversion in IB and 3/5 on AIF form have gotten into Mechatronics last year? The 86 average is largely due to a 70 something in Chemistry. All other marks are in 80s or 90s.

• According to the graph, there would have been about a 10% chance of getting an offer with an 86% average. That’s about all we can say.

• goku son

Sorry sir, that makes no sense. A 10% probability means mathematically that 1/10th of the selected students are people with <86% averages. But, the only two criteria you look at is the top 6 average and the AIF form score. There is nothing more you look at. So why, is there a difference between one person who got 86% and 3/5 on AIF and someone else who got 86% and also 3/5 on AIF. What differed between these two students.

Like, what is the contributing factor of the 10% chance of acceptance. It is not fair if there is a randomated process for the last few acceptances. So what usually is different amongst the last students you pick…. for mechatronics.

• The 86% average does not include the AIF effect, and the 10% probability does not mean that 1/10 of selected students had <86%. Strictly, a 10% probability means that on repeated sampling of students with an 86% average, 1/10 will be found to have an offer. It's a somewhat subtle but important difference. Why some and not the others? It will be factors like the AIF, and more subtle differences such as those illustrated in this post which applies to applicants competing for those last few spots.

37. Narth

Firstly thanks for this incredible site. It’s very useful. I was wondering why the number of geological engineering students accepted is so low (20-30). Is this due to the number of applications received or is it just really competitive? What do you think are my chances of getting into geological engineering with an average of 90%? Also, do you offer early admissions (like February/March) to engineering students? A few people I know have gotten acceptances to Waterloo but not for engineering yet. Thanks in advance!

• Geological engineering has a limited class capacity, so we only aim for about 20. You can see the chances in the graph. Some offers will go out in late February, but the majority will come in May.

38. Rahul

Hello Proffesor,I am just getting this confusion rite now.I scored all A’s(4) overall in my AS(A levels) exams.However,I have 1 B in Chemistry unit an 1 B in Physics unit.For eg:Chemistry AS consists of 3 units.I scored 2A’s and 1 B in a unit but achieved “A” overall.Do u of waterloo consider unit grades or overall grades for admission decision?

39. Hayden

In the higher bracket that contains mechanical, where would you place mechanical when compared to mechatronics/nano/software? It seems (though I may be completely wrong) that mechanical stands in the lower half of the highest bracket.

• That’s generally correct in the past (i.e. mechanical is a bit lower), but there is not a huge amount of difference between them all, which is why we lump them together.

40. Baqir

Hi
I am debating on whether to put anything on my AIF section where it asks why I took a course in summer school. I have no good reason, I just wanted a high mark. Is it okay if I leave it blank because I really don’t want to give a bad reason?
Thanks

• I would put down the real reason. If it’s blank, we will assume that is the reason anyways and it will appear that you’re trying to hide it.

• Baqir

Thank You

41. David

Hi,

I have ENG4U9 during second semester, therefore, I will not have a grade until Mid-Terms. Will the ENG3U9 be taken into consideration. If so, when will Waterloo receive and consider my ENG4U9 mark?

Thanks!

• Yes, we’ll look at ENG3U until we get ENG4U midterm grades in April.

42. Rahul

Hello, do i need to provide high school transcript showing my mid-tem and final year class marks and grades?

• Yes, probably.

• Rahul

sorry my post was incomplete.iam an international student from bangladesh under british patterened system.do i need to provide high school transcripts of my high school from class 9-12

• For British system, we will want to see GCSE (or equivalent) exam results, plus AS exam results and predicted grades for A levels (or exam results if you have any). High school transcripts are nice too, but not so important as the exam results.

43. Hassan

How can I change my first choice on ouac? I have been looking in multiple places and I still can’t figure how to do so.

Thanks

• I don’t really know much about the mechanics of the OUAC system.

44. Rahul

Hello Professor,I am International student studying A levels.I scored all A’s in my AS.Now my school predicts me 3A*s but instead i end up with 3A’s in my final A levels.Will be rejected for not achieving 3A*s.what do you think may be the conditional offer of a student who is doing A levels,and has 4A’s in AS for Electrical Engineering?

• I don’t remember the exact conditions for A levels, but ending up with 3 A’s would be fine.

45. Anon

If a person is failing in an O course, (Gym), how would this affect their chance of admission?

Thank you again!

• It won’t have any effect overall, assuming it’s not required for the diploma.

46. christine

Hi I want to ask does waterloo prefer a local student instead of an international one?

• We have no preference, but it depends on what you mean. If you’re not Canadian or a Permanent Resident of Canada, you’re competing for one of only 200 spaces available for visa students.

47. Rahul

Hello professor,
I have sent my documents and transcripts to U of Waterloo 13 days back.I tracked through DHL and found it received by J OGG of u of waterloo.But my application status has not yet been updated.I am worried..i emailed u of waterloo.they said it will take 10 business days..

• Yes, it can take a while. Plus February 18th was a holiday, which can slow things down a bit.

48. Anne

Are girls favoured in the application process over boys in programs like computer engineering?

• No, we encourage and support women applicants but there is no favour one way or the other.

49. Austin

Is management engineering competitive ?
how many spots are open for Geological and Environmental Engineering?
How many spots are left for mechanical and Civil engineering?

• As one of our newer programs, Management engineering is a little less competitive than others but the application numbers have been steadily rising so it will probably be similar in competition level to mechanical engineering. Geological and environmental probably about 65 left combined. Mechanical and civil roughly 120 and 65, respectively.